tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post7001859929405554750..comments2023-10-12T10:09:54.121-04:00Comments on Believing is Knowing: The Rationale for the Many Detailed Rules Against Idolatry - Eradication and Prevention.David Guttmannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07668302013143561290noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-28149396221476513362008-10-20T13:26:00.000-04:002008-10-20T13:26:00.000-04:00s"t meant, for Sefardim in Inquisitional periode t...s"t meant, for Sefardim in Inquisitional periode to be of no-Christian descent, because of the policies of Pureza de Sangre.<BR/><BR/>The idea of no-Marrano is not true, since most of Sefardim descended of Anoussim, mainly in the Western Communities.<BR/><BR/>So s"t means exactly this Pure Sefardi without not connotation against other non-Sephardic Jews.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-51818318037252288372008-06-05T03:48:00.000-04:002008-06-05T03:48:00.000-04:00Thanks,David,for the interesting source & informat...Thanks,David,for the interesting source & information.<BR/>YAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-50303531043485941012008-06-04T16:19:00.000-04:002008-06-04T16:19:00.000-04:00One source - there are more if I remember them.J.H...One source - there are more if I remember them.<BR/><BR/>J.H. Zimmels on page 286 of his book "Ashkenazim and Sefardim" gives<BR/>several possible explanations for the meaning of S"T.<BR/><BR/>The first possibility he gives is "Sofo Tov", "dating from the time when<BR/>the persecutions started in spain and people did not know whether they<BR/>would survive. Because of this they used to write the words Sofo Tov,<BR/>i.e. may his end be good, after their name in letters to their friends."<BR/><BR/>Another possibility is that they stand for 'Sanct' denoting martyrdom (I<BR/>don't quite understand what he means here).<BR/><BR/>A third option is the commonly cited 'Sefardi Tahor', indicating a<BR/>non-Marrano descent.<BR/><BR/>He then goes on to write that none of these possibilties could be<BR/>correct. It can't be related to the persection in Spain, because the<BR/>S"T acronym is found in texts even before the persecution in Spain<BR/>started in 1391. Also he disputes the '"sefardi tahor" option because<BR/>"Haham Zevi Ashkenazi and his son R. Yakov Emden add these letters to<BR/>their names."<BR/><BR/>The source he cites for these statements is Meir Helprin's "Hasimanim<BR/>ve-Hakinnuyim" p. 188.<BR/><BR/>The back of the book where there are some additional notes by the author<BR/>brings a fourth possibility - "Sin Tin" the aramaic transslation of the<BR/>expression "rephesh va-tit" (mire and dirt) from Yeshayahu 57:20.<BR/>However he discounts this option as well because the actual translation<BR/>in Aramaic is "Sin ve-Tin" so the acronym would really be Sv"T if it<BR/>truly stood for Sin ve-Tin.David Guttmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07668302013143561290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-5015181948382729492008-06-04T07:06:00.000-04:002008-06-04T07:06:00.000-04:00> Re Samech Tet it Means Seifei Tav or Good ending...> Re Samech Tet it Means Seifei Tav or Good ending and not sefardi tahor.<BR/><BR/><BR/>This seems to me rather forced & I wonder whether it's due to P.C.<BR/>I would appreciate,if you, David, or anyone else,could give a source for where & when that interpretation first appears.<BR/>yAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-2203254420698015702008-06-04T01:52:00.000-04:002008-06-04T01:52:00.000-04:00Anonymous: As David said, it's very doubtful if th...Anonymous: As David said, it's very doubtful if the "semekh tet" was intended to mean 'sefaradi tahor'. Either way though, it's something my Rabbinic ancestors wrote after their names, and I write it (mostly) to, in some way, associate myself with them.<BR/><BR/>"ein li chas va-chalila tipat dam<BR/>sephardi nozel b'orkai!"- okaaay....'בעצם' though, I feel that it's a shame members of 'עם ישראל' still live in places where such associations are more apropos (viz outside of Israel). If we were in Israel I would be inclined to say "this is where both our ancestors originated, and it is here we find ourselves today. Why brood over past differences between us (not to imply that those differences aren't still around to some extent..<BR/><BR/>In fact it is my understanding that the Rambam is to a large extent representative of the modes of thought of our ancestors in Muslim Spain (who's ideas I find favorable...and which are expounded upon on this website), and Rashi and those who followed in his ways were the prototypes of the mode of thinking of the Jews in and around the ancient German Rhine (who's ideas many Orthodox Jews are currently largely influenced by).)<BR/><BR/>In regards to the whole "Rambam being a bit hypocritical about superstisous medicine" discussion you seem to have been having, I just wanted to comment on the response: "...and look at Shut Radvaz 5:1436 where he discusses all these Rambam's and concludes that permitted only in life threatening situations where it is calming the patient not that it works."- Yeah, it's a simple idea- it's a 'placebo effect'- so much health is totally dependent on the mind man...הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-90964803973997909242008-06-04T01:51:00.000-04:002008-06-04T01:51:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-48639324962762377282008-06-04T01:49:00.000-04:002008-06-04T01:49:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-38705122409723254632008-06-03T18:09:00.000-04:002008-06-03T18:09:00.000-04:00[יא] מי שנשכו עקרב או נחש, מותר ללחוש על מקום הנשי...[יא] מי שנשכו עקרב או נחש, מותר ללחוש על מקום הנשיכה, ואפילו בשבת, כדי ליישב דעתו ולחזק ליבו: אף על פי שאין הדבר מועיל כלום, הואיל ומסוכן הוא, התירו לו, כדי שלא תיטרף דעתו עליו<BR/><BR/>Hil AZ 11:12<BR/><BR/>Hil Shabbat 19:13<BR/>יוצא אדם <BR/>ובשן השועל, ובמסמר הצלוב, ובכל דבר שתולין אותו משום רפואה--והוא שיאמרו הרופאים, שהוא מועיל.<BR/><BR/>I cannot access just now the Pirush Hamishna on line but look at Mishna Shabbat 6:10 where he says Medamim Ba'alei Hasegulot that it works and therefore it is permitted and in Yoma 8:4 where he forbids using the liver of a mad dog because it does not work and segulot are assur and look at Shut Radvaz 5:1436 where he discusses all these Rambam's and concludes that permitted only in life threatening situations where it is calming the patient not that it works.<BR/><BR/>Re Samech Tet it Means Seifei Tav or Good ending and not sefardi tahor.David Guttmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07668302013143561290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-30320935979560429622008-06-03T16:10:00.000-04:002008-06-03T16:10:00.000-04:00הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"ט The samech tet s...הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"ט<BR/> The samech tet stands for "sephardi tahor".<BR/>Are you sure about that? How far back can you trace your pure blood sephardi ancestry?<BR/>Aren't you being racist?<BR/>Y<BR/>Ashkenazi Tahor,ein li chas va-chalila tipat dam <BR/>sephardi nozel b'orkai!<BR/>How do you like that!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-78977012074773663732008-06-03T14:44:00.000-04:002008-06-03T14:44:00.000-04:00יישר חילך לאורייתאלהרבות תורה ולהאדירהולהחזיר משנת...יישר חילך לאורייתא<BR/>להרבות תורה ולהאדירה<BR/>ולהחזיר משנת חכמים למקומה<BR/><BR/>ללמד רמב"ם לעם<BR/>אשר לא זכר ימות עולם<BR/>ולא בנו לאחריתם<BR/><BR/>כן תוסיף וכן תרבה<BR/>דעות כזב להשמיד<BR/>לבאר תורת משה ומשה<BR/>על ידי איש שמו דודהצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-67282125645685146702008-06-03T13:53:00.000-04:002008-06-03T13:53:00.000-04:00correction.Instead of shen haz'ev read shen hashua...correction.<BR/>Instead of shen haz'ev read shen hashual,IIRC.<BR/>YAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-26552482261119442252008-06-03T13:40:00.000-04:002008-06-03T13:40:00.000-04:00David,All the above is fine & well.However,Rambam ...David,<BR/>All the above is fine & well.<BR/>However,Rambam says somewhere,(perhaps you can give the mareh makom),that the "shen haz'ev,or masmer hatsaluv",is permitted for medicinal purposes.Because many people believe in its efficiency & has been "proven" to be effective.<BR/><BR/>I don't see any difference between the above & magic.<BR/>It just shows that even a super rationalist like Rambam had his own superstitions.<BR/>I wonder whether Rambam would take a room no 13 in a hotel.<BR/>YAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com