tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post114644093427270534..comments2023-10-12T10:09:54.121-04:00Comments on Believing is Knowing: The Unknowable - Ultimate wisdom is the acknowledgement of the limits of knowledge.David Guttmannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07668302013143561290noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-1146702051232019592006-05-03T20:20:00.000-04:002006-05-03T20:20:00.000-04:00BTW thanks for the compliment. I truly believe tha...BTW thanks for the compliment. I truly believe that if Ramabm's philosophical writings were taken more seriously nowadays a lot of pain could have been and will be avoided.David Guttmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07668302013143561290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-1146701969964420352006-05-03T20:19:00.000-04:002006-05-03T20:19:00.000-04:00Ben Avuyah, I am not sure where you were going. I ...Ben Avuyah, I am not sure where you were going. I believe that if a thinking OJ believes that the Creator will ever be known in his Essence other than through his actions, he is akofer Be'ikar. The was the argument between Ra'avad and Rambam in Hil Teshuva. Ra'avad could not accept that Nebech a kofer is also a kofer. Here is Ramabm in Moreh 1:36<BR/><BR/> If you think that there is an excuse for those who believe in the corporeality of God on the ground of their training, their ignorance or their defective comprehension, you must make the same concession to the worshippers of idols: their worship is due to ignorance, or to early training," they continue in the custom of their fathers." (T.B. Hullin, 13a) You will perhaps say that the literal interpretation of the Bible causes men to fall into that doubt, but you must know that idolaters were likewise brought to their belief by false imaginations and ideas. There is no excuse whatever for those who, being unable to think for themselves, do not accept [the doctrine of the incorporeality of God] from the true philosophers. I do not consider those men as infidels who are unable to prove the incorporeality, but I hold those to be soDavid Guttmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07668302013143561290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-1146674275498158482006-05-03T12:37:00.000-04:002006-05-03T12:37:00.000-04:00very interesting posts, by the way, and very well ...very interesting posts, by the way, and very well put, I didn't just come here to bark my usual anti dogmatic rant, I really enjoyed reading your take on the rambam. I will have to get around to reading the moreh at some point in time, it looks like it is required reading material for your blog :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21749731.post-1146674140025062732006-05-03T12:35:00.000-04:002006-05-03T12:35:00.000-04:00>>That is fine and well when we deal with the univ...>>That is fine and well when we deal with the universe as we know it. When we start looking at its origins, how it came to be, whether it came to be in time, whether it was here forever, who and what was the impetus for its existence, we must realize that science will never answer these questions.<BR/><BR/>What if further coding of DNA revealed that hidden in each sarcomere was a gematria code coresponding exactly to the 72 letter name of God. What if the smallest particle was found to take a particular formation that mathematicaly coresponded to the exact letters of the first chapters of bereishis.<BR/><BR/>I think many OJ people expect that science will one day shed light on the creator, and I think many people would be satisfied with evidence that corresponded with their beliefs accordingly.<BR/><BR/>The problem arises when evidence supports the idea that no one knows, or points to a non design format.<BR/>In this scenario people like to say that we just can't ever know, so don't bother to study. However, should a shred of evidence, a hint of a study, or a shard of academia ever list towards a religiously held creation myth, believe me, the religious proponents of sceintific investigation into the universes origin will simply abound.<BR/><BR/>That is what religion is about, after all, picking your opinion on the false basis of faith, and then winowing the available facts to find anything that supporst you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.com